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		<title>By: M*P* Lockwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>M*P* Lockwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MarsHottentot:

A well-reasoned rebuttal. Thank you for commenting and filling out the other side of the picture. 

I don&#039;t disagree with what you say here. I wouldn&#039;t call the recent albums &quot;innovative&quot; - just different than what has come before. Soft rock - fair enough, plenty of that in there. Maybe it even sounds like Bread (never heard them) - when compared to &quot;Confusion is Sex&quot; at least.

You&#039;re probably right that the Branca-era will be more fondly remembered in the history books. But probably &quot;Dirty&quot; too - best sellers and &quot;breakthroughs&quot; (popularity-wise) tend to be held up by history. Note which albums have gotten the deluxe re-release treatment.

I have a more detailed theory about opinions on Sonic Youth. Everyone believes that Sonic Youth stopped being really good shortly after the current  release at the time that person became a fan. And I forgot to mention the inverse of the formulaic negative review, the formulaic positive review: &quot;Sonic Youth have been putting out mainstream/sellout albums for a long time, but this one is a return to form, not seen since [fill in that album which made you a fan here].&quot; Next album, same review appears.

Am I guilty of being too kind? True, I only do &quot;positive reviews&quot; here. Really, all I do is rant about stuff I think is great, and occasionally some thoughts on new music from one of these notable pioneers, for example the Boredoms or Teenage Jesus. Still, if I say that I like something, it&#039;s only because I like it. If I think something&#039;s really lame, I won&#039;t waste the time to write about it.

Never wrote for Flipside - must have been the Skin Graft board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarsHottentot:</p>
<p>A well-reasoned rebuttal. Thank you for commenting and filling out the other side of the picture. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with what you say here. I wouldn&#8217;t call the recent albums &#8220;innovative&#8221; &#8211; just different than what has come before. Soft rock &#8211; fair enough, plenty of that in there. Maybe it even sounds like Bread (never heard them) &#8211; when compared to &#8220;Confusion is Sex&#8221; at least.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re probably right that the Branca-era will be more fondly remembered in the history books. But probably &#8220;Dirty&#8221; too &#8211; best sellers and &#8220;breakthroughs&#8221; (popularity-wise) tend to be held up by history. Note which albums have gotten the deluxe re-release treatment.</p>
<p>I have a more detailed theory about opinions on Sonic Youth. Everyone believes that Sonic Youth stopped being really good shortly after the current  release at the time that person became a fan. And I forgot to mention the inverse of the formulaic negative review, the formulaic positive review: &#8220;Sonic Youth have been putting out mainstream/sellout albums for a long time, but this one is a return to form, not seen since [fill in that album which made you a fan here].&#8221; Next album, same review appears.</p>
<p>Am I guilty of being too kind? True, I only do &#8220;positive reviews&#8221; here. Really, all I do is rant about stuff I think is great, and occasionally some thoughts on new music from one of these notable pioneers, for example the Boredoms or Teenage Jesus. Still, if I say that I like something, it&#8217;s only because I like it. If I think something&#8217;s really lame, I won&#8217;t waste the time to write about it.</p>
<p>Never wrote for Flipside &#8211; must have been the Skin Graft board.</p>
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		<title>By: MarsHottentot</title>
		<link>http://www.no-core.net/blog/2009/07/sonic-youth-the-eternal/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>MarsHottentot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I know you.  You either used to write for Flipside oooor you hung out on the Skin Graft board.  Am I right?

Anyway - while I haven&#039;t heard the new record I&#039;ve found their stuff to be fairly dull for a while.  I thought &#039;Washing Machine&#039; and &#039;1000 Leaves&#039; were great when compared to &#039;Dirty&#039;, and I&#039;ve come around on &#039;EJS, T&amp;NS&#039;, the rest of their 90&#039;s / 00&#039;s work as Sonic Youth has left me bored.  In fact, I found &#039;Murray Street&#039;, &#039;Sonic Nurse&#039; and &#039;Rather Ripped&#039; interchangeable.  Not to mention 70&#039;s soft rock damaged (yes - soft rock DAMAGED).  I found Lee Ranaldo jamming with the SNL band more pulse pounding (seriously, the juxtaposition of the avant garde against the hi-commercial was crazy)!

Of course, you&#039;ve gotta cut them slack as they&#039;re the ones who brought the vast majority of us to the dance, but as &#039;innovators&#039; well, that ship sailed the day they hired Butch Vig to transform them into a cynical grunge act.

I find it funny that you say they&#039;ve integrated the noise into their songs as opposed to compartmentalizing it (which they certainly have done for ages) as, really, that would be a &#039;return to form&#039;, that being akin to their early work, up to &#039;Evol&#039;.

Somehow, I&#039;m not sure the Bread song structures of the latter day Youts will hold up against the Branca era, but maybe I&#039;m wrong?

You&#039;re a kind man, Mr. Lockwood.  That&#039;s gotta count for something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I know you.  You either used to write for Flipside oooor you hung out on the Skin Graft board.  Am I right?</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; while I haven&#8217;t heard the new record I&#8217;ve found their stuff to be fairly dull for a while.  I thought &#8216;Washing Machine&#8217; and &#8217;1000 Leaves&#8217; were great when compared to &#8216;Dirty&#8217;, and I&#8217;ve come around on &#8216;EJS, T&amp;NS&#8217;, the rest of their 90&#8242;s / 00&#8242;s work as Sonic Youth has left me bored.  In fact, I found &#8216;Murray Street&#8217;, &#8216;Sonic Nurse&#8217; and &#8216;Rather Ripped&#8217; interchangeable.  Not to mention 70&#8242;s soft rock damaged (yes &#8211; soft rock DAMAGED).  I found Lee Ranaldo jamming with the SNL band more pulse pounding (seriously, the juxtaposition of the avant garde against the hi-commercial was crazy)!</p>
<p>Of course, you&#8217;ve gotta cut them slack as they&#8217;re the ones who brought the vast majority of us to the dance, but as &#8216;innovators&#8217; well, that ship sailed the day they hired Butch Vig to transform them into a cynical grunge act.</p>
<p>I find it funny that you say they&#8217;ve integrated the noise into their songs as opposed to compartmentalizing it (which they certainly have done for ages) as, really, that would be a &#8216;return to form&#8217;, that being akin to their early work, up to &#8216;Evol&#8217;.</p>
<p>Somehow, I&#8217;m not sure the Bread song structures of the latter day Youts will hold up against the Branca era, but maybe I&#8217;m wrong?</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a kind man, Mr. Lockwood.  That&#8217;s gotta count for something&#8230;</p>
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